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autechre
#1 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2019 1:22:13 AM(UTC)
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Old Sweater
#2 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2019 11:08:25 AM(UTC)
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Hey Slice and Leo, Look what happened Bros, I'm on TV in that video..

Waldo is in that video somewhere too!


Jedi
nerdsmasher
#3 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2019 2:25:16 PM(UTC)
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Hey slice and Leo look what happened, absolutely nothing
Old Sweater
#4 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2019 3:42:58 PM(UTC)
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What the fuck? Jim Stevens has the power of instant replay official!!

Fuck that!!

Walter< old baseball fan that hates fucking instant replay!
Old Sweater
#5 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2019 4:17:11 PM(UTC)
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Hey Slice and Leo...
look what happened...

I stole this thread, and thats what's happening.

And this is what's going to happen in the future after it happens, is that Imhoff, ( in my honest opinion for foos)
Is that I'm going to KINFUCKY this year, who's all going to go see the Jedi hammer a want a be so called evolutionary gamer?

It's getting all set up for the prove your shit and back it up race match of domination, for the whole world base to see!
The player that backs out will be known as a bullshit coward of the century, this will be announced over the PA system at the world's arena by the Director of the event.

What's happening:

This match will be announced later this year prior to world's, either on a flier, or in post.

What is going to happen:

Hoping to see the major Colorado player base under one arena for my first time in over 30 some years to compete at world's, just to settle truth...
Jedi ( Justice eradicates demeaning injustice)

That's what happens, when one awakens the grand force of the North


The Colorado Oracle
Jedi
Old Sweater
#6 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2019 4:35:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Old Sweater Go to Quoted Post
What the fuck? Jim Stevens has the power of instant replay official!!

Fuck that!!

Walter< old baseball fan that hates fucking instant replay!


I was kinda thinking the same thing, but really sweater, if you think about it logically, Jim is the one with the footage that goes frame to frame, plus there were no official on the match, and it was a standard call out that happens in a lot of matches in general called by players.

So of course it just makes sense in a over all ruling in this case that Jim was the best final decision.. plus I was there watching the match, and Kane did not have any chance of reaching the ball, the raddle was during the gray zone

So it was the right call!


Jedi
Old Sweater
#7 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2019 5:10:33 PM(UTC)
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I'm a firm believer that taping matches is an absolute must in all events, local too.

But it needs to be above and middle of the table with a zoom to the video system.
And of course we know the reasons why.
Video doesn't lie!

Personally in my observation, Ive seen a lot of weak officials the last few years, just a few are worth for the calling.
Most need to retouch base on the reset rule, because most don't know what a real reset is..

Same for the stopped ball before one second on a clock.

Also I am still seeing many players here in Colo that are taking over 10 seconds on the 5 row, and it's a fucking bullshit rule that a player is not allowed to call that, because I in general can count out 10 or 15 seconds within one or two off here and there, but I'm on for the most part of counting 10-15 seconds.

I'm a past drummer, so I know how many beats it takes to make up the time limits on the table.


JediROTN teacher
autechre
#8 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2019 7:06:49 PM(UTC)
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Nope, kane got white trashed, i will give you liars a week to figure it out.

Jedi, stop lying, it is your fault that you have been lying the whole time.
Old Sweater
#9 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2019 9:04:22 PM(UTC)
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Video doesn’t show everything. Plus it is viewed by humans. Like the video in the first post of this thread. IMHO, Kane had a bit of a grab on the ball, Stevens believes he couldn’t reel it in but also said Champ was hitting the wall= still a very subjective decision. A coin flip works as good as video outcome and doesn’t destroy the pace of the game as much.

edit: Walter
Slice/
#10 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2019 9:33:16 PM(UTC)
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I looked at that video a few times. Robbie may have rattled the table while trying to grab the loose ball as it was heading from the neutral zone to Kane’s zone. Once Kane got a slight toe grab on it any motion from Robbie’s 5-bar clearly stopped. Kane tried to move the ball with the little bit of toe that he had on it but it wasn’t enough to move it backwards only forwards. That was not caused by any jarring. I don’t know how anybody can call it differently after looking at the video carefully. Both players were in agreement after they did a video review and got Jim’s opinion so what’s the issue?
Old Sweater
#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 8, 2019 12:33:08 AM(UTC)
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The issue I have, even as just a fan is, why the hell is an announcer making a reffing decision and why does the match being streamed get the extra benefit?

edit: Walter
Old Sweater
#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 8, 2019 11:16:33 AM(UTC)
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Is Jim a certified reff?

And about any coin toss to settle a call is really not a great option call for a final decision, I've been there using a toss, and it sucks, mainly when I know I was jarred or whatever, same for the other side player. I mean after all, I'm not a perfect player, I make mistakes too during play, and sometimes I don't notice or see what I do sometimes, as I black out in focus on the ball.

Logically reasoning is the best option on play calls.

I'm just wondering why no reff was on duty before the match started anyway...


Jedi

Old Sweater
#13 Posted : Tuesday, January 8, 2019 11:26:04 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Slice/ Go to Quoted Post
I looked at that video a few times. Robbie may have rattled the table while trying to grab the loose ball as it was heading from the neutral zone to Kane’s zone. Once Kane got a slight toe grab on it any motion from Robbie’s 5-bar clearly stopped. Kane tried to move the ball with the little bit of toe that he had on it but it wasn’t enough to move it backwards only forwards. That was not caused by any jarring. I don’t know how anybody can call it differently after looking at the video carefully. Both players were in agreement after they did a video review and got Jim’s opinion so what’s the issue?


I totally agree 💯%


Jedi

Old Sweater
#14 Posted : Wednesday, January 9, 2019 6:46:14 AM(UTC)
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Notice the near 50/50 in managers challenges? That’s what I meant with a coin toss having near the same results. Baseball spent millions when a coin would have produced near the same results. Video replay we all know won’t happen in Foosball, but if it did you can’t be destroying the pace of the game on every judgement call of the players. Even if Stevens is a certified ref, why should the game he is streaming get to use video while the other 20-whatever tables doesn’t? Either all or none is the only fair solution.

On the 28.6% of umps calls reversed is where the politics come in. The replay ump at
NY Headquarters isn’t going to sell out his fellow umps too often making them look bad. Umps are human just like managers so that percentage should be a lot closer to 50/50.

Quite a few years back I ran a thread at Foosballboard titled “Do you cheat?” based on most players feel they’ve been cheated but their opponents don’t feel they cheated. LoL, really pissed most the players off but had to make some think about it. There has to be cheaters to be cheated. Some argued that breaking the rules wasn’t cheating which IMO is BullShit! Even if you accidentally break a rule, it is cheating. That is why there is rules! This is why EVERYONE cheats in every game that has rules. There is no avoiding it.
Slice/
#15 Posted : Wednesday, January 9, 2019 10:27:09 AM(UTC)
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I like your point Walter about not using video replay in Foosball because not all of the tables are on video. I thought the exact same thing when golf allowed viewers to call in rules infractions that they saw on TV. This in essence only put the marquis players that the TV network wanted on TV under the viewing spotlight. Totally unfair. I’m glad they got rid of it.
Old Sweater
#16 Posted : Wednesday, January 9, 2019 11:33:43 AM(UTC)
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I like games that have no officials, like head games etc!





Just me kidding......

Hey, you can spell Jedi in the three words above!
Slice/
#17 Posted : Wednesday, January 9, 2019 1:24:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Old Sweater Go to Quoted Post
I like games that have no officials, like head games etc!





Just me kidding......

Hey, you can spell Jedi in the three words above!


Yeah but can you get Jedi to use the new handle that you set up for him? :-)
Old Sweater
#18 Posted : Wednesday, January 9, 2019 2:50:45 PM(UTC)
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That was my post slice, and when I can log off this site, then I'll relog in as The Jedi.

I'm just having troubles logging out!


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J-rod
#19 Posted : Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:14:15 PM(UTC)
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you can't triple stamp a double stamp
Old Sweater
#20 Posted : Wednesday, January 9, 2019 6:09:28 PM(UTC)
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And you can't double stamp a single stamp!

And the difference between an old stamp and a new stamp is, one you lick and the other one you peel......



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