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Old Sweater
#21 Posted : Tuesday, September 25, 2018 1:19:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: lilkicks Go to Quoted Post
I am interested in playing some foos and don't really know anyone who plays. Is this time and place pretty regular? I have not played in a tournament so figure I would be considered a rookie/beginner.

Thanks


I generally don't quote anyone, but this is a small post!

Ok, so you haven't ever played a tournament? that's what I gather here. Now if that is the case you need to read and go through the game rule book. Then you get on a table with one that knows the rules that can guide you through the physical play of the rules, but reading the rules first is easier to collect it all in your head, then you manifest it in action. It doesn't take that long to get the just of the whole game, it just takes "awareness and observation in about two weeks...
And second, in this lesson for anyone. Never underestimate yourself in this game thinking you are less than what you are or could be in a short time on the table, the human mind and body can do amazing things when you put your thoughts into it..

Lesson #1 to 901

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Old Sweater
#22 Posted : Sunday, October 07, 2018 12:19:17 PM(UTC)
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So to let other players know, I've been thinking about having a Clinic for the low rank players..
May do a sign up sheet for it at Misfits for those that are willing to learn the game with a real teacher of the game.

Also considering, for my travel to teach, the time and the knowledge I have in the game, that I will be charging a 5 dollar fee for each session of lessons when a player shows up for class, 3 hours max for sessions maybe 4, most players can't even handle 1 hour before their hands hurt, or something else..
If a player pays for classes in advance, then I'm sure the player will be dedicated to showing up for the session.
I the Jedi M will always show up for my Class
The fee for class is for your own benefit, so that a student will take my teaching seriously and get the full benefits out of their payment learning the game

I will talk with RayGun and BB to see what the options are
to find out if a session clinic can be set up..

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BigBaller
#23 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2018 10:08:23 AM(UTC)
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No need to talk with me about it! Ray is your go to guy for this.

BUT! I do think charging beginners & rookies a fee is flat out ridiculous. I also don't really see the benefit of it. You have one style of play which your good at. Which would not benefit any of these players really. Even if they are interested in it charging for it just dumb! Lets get more players in the game.
Old Sweater
#24 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2018 4:00:49 PM(UTC)
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Well BB your opinion is duely noted,
But you are not a teacher, I AM!

Plus, dont think that because I am a Master of freestyle, that that's what I'm going to teach them, seriously,
like holy shit, there are pros out there that couldn't get a tenth of what freestyle is in their game, if their dam life depended on it
I know how to teach the game from the bottom to the top, and as far as charging beginners, rookies, amutures, experts, pros, and including Masters...
It doesn't matter who it is, you get more beneficial learning when you put something down for the cause.

After all, people pay hundreds on things and classes of the arts, etc, etc, on what they want to learn from trainers,
Coaching, etc and the world list goes on, so why not table soccer.
Just because foosball doesn't have a grand circle of instructor's in the game, doesn't mean I can't be the first legit teacher to mark an era in the history of this neglected professional sport....................
Like after all, look how friggin long it took, for one TD player to finally set the entry fee to a ten dollar bill for local events, well, it's about God damn time, like how long did that take to change, (answer) about 40 years!


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AKPV22
#25 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2018 4:36:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Old Sweater Go to Quoted Post
Well BB your opinion is duely noted,
But you are not a teacher, I AM!

Plus, dont think that because I am a Master of freestyle, that that's what I'm going to teach them, seriously,
like holy shit, there are pros out there that couldn't get a tenth of what freestyle is in their game, if their dam life depended on it
I know how to teach the game from the bottom to the top, and as far as charging beginners, rookies, amutures, experts, pros, and including Masters...
It doesn't matter who it is, you get more beneficial learning when you put something down for the cause.

After all, people pay hundreds on things and classes of the arts, etc, etc, on what they want to learn from trainers,
Coaching, etc and the world list goes on, so why not table soccer.
Just because foosball doesn't have a grand circle of instructor's in the game, doesn't mean I can't be the first legit teacher to mark an era in the history of this neglected professional sport....................
Like after all, look how friggin long it took, for one TD player to finally set the entry fee to a ten dollar bill for local events, well, it's about God damn time, like how long did that take to change, (answer) about 40 years!


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People can pay money for lessons ... Friday and Saturday entry fees and quarters. If you’re down to give lessons outside of those, kudos on ya. maybe invest in your own bar, own tables, and go about it that way. If you were to charge for teaching someone on tables other than your own, what happens if someone damaged a table? Would you cover the cost? Would Ray and Baller or whoever’s table your playing on have to pony up the dough? Sounds like you want to make money on someone else’s investment.
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Old Sweater
#26 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2018 5:06:03 PM(UTC)
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No the motive is not about making money, I could care less about that, money is not my bag, and I'm not controlled by it.
But for teaching purposes, a fee for lessons is essentially
the angle to go, even if it's a dollar they pay out..
And as far as any damages on a table, what does that amount to, a few pins and a man here and there, it's not like we foosball players destroy tables were they become unplayable... Jesus let's get real, we don't have Gorillas playing the game..lol


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AKPV22
#27 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2018 5:25:28 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Old Sweater Go to Quoted Post
No the motive is not about making money, I could care less about that, money is not my bag, and I'm not controlled by it.
But for teaching purposes, a fee for lessons is essentially
the angle to go, even if it's a dollar they pay out..
And as far as any damages on a table, what does that amount to, a few pins and a man here and there, it's not like we foosball players destroy tables were they become unplayable... Jesus let's get real, we don't have Gorillas playing the game..lol


Jedi


So the Dollar goes to Ray/BB then correct? I’m clearly playing devils advocate, as is always necessary when thinking about a business opportunity. What about balls? Bumpers, pins, men, beer (or soda) gets spilled on a table by your beginner Wook and warps the mdf, someone accidentally trips and goes to stabilize themselves on an led light snapping the support (rare but it’s happened before, so it will happen again, same thing with the drink holder. My point is wear and tear is a real thing that needs to be accounted for. If you’re wearing down your own material/property and decide to donate that, by all means, that’s your prerogative.
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Old Sweater
#28 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2018 12:03:07 AM(UTC)
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You can't expect to play an ambassador of good will and a positive post on a battery, and at the same time play the devil's advocate, that would be hypocritical, or worse, conflict of interest..lol

If your going to throw all the other Logistics into the matter, then Ray should have a paper one signs before they put quarters in before tournament warm up, stating that the player is responsible for the price to replace whatever breaks down on the table while they play on any table..lol that's more ridiculous than me charging for lessons, which I think is quite appropriate, now maybe 5 is to much, but 3 bucks should be acceptable for a payout, after all I'm not looking to get rich from teaching foosball, but taking this game in a different direction is my motive..
I'm the player that can upgrade a players game, in the time it takes to go to the next rank by less than half the time it would take for that same player that takes years and years to go to the next level by just playing the game by normal means..

I mean just think, Superman has been playing for 9 years, and he still hasn't broken out of the eggshell yet, when are these level of players going to hit the expert class, because at this rate, players like Superman, etc, it's going to take another 30 years... Especially with an obsolete point system,
But lo and behold, the Colo foosball world has to their disposal and access a real teacher in the game that can make differences in a players game by half the time or less, but someone wants to throw random tools in the wheel..

Just saying

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Old Sweater
#29 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2018 12:35:45 AM(UTC)
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And then there's this AK, you bitch to the Jedi that I'm negative and that I'm not contributing to the players, or the game.
But yet I have a desire and the knowledge, not to mention the skill to teach and bring my positive force to the players that can use guidance, players like Shell, Jesus I feel so sorry for him, because players bitch so much about him when they lose a DYP with him, and this man is as like a loyal dog for the sport of this game, But he is stubborn on showing him anything that will do his game good, but No he won't listen, so for him, he's going to be a beginner - rookie for life..and some player like Erin Trump is going to be an amuture in his life time and hand him his ass 8 times out of 10..
Or he can humble himself, and allow me to do my magic work in teaching him a better game in the mind.. then I can get him to the plateau to smashing players like Pat U, Mike S, Dennison, or Amutures in general in about a year.
But where he is now that would definitely never happen.

Or players in that department that can't go nowhere in the game are just waisting their time in it..

That's what I the Jedi sees!



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Old Sweater
#30 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2018 1:07:35 AM(UTC)
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I guess after all that spill, my point is.

Would a player rather spend the next 5 years reaching the next Rank up, or would a player rather spend about less than 5% of the money they spent for five years going nowhere, and instead invest in some guidance by a teacher, and go two ranks higher in the same amount of time they spent going up one rank in 5 years..

Example

Todd H, he has won three jackets and a table since the time he was my student.. his game took off like a rocket at Huston..
And yet, BUT, question is... could he have done that without my teaching's for almost for a year on the table, not to mention, I was teaching him about the other mental departments of the game over the phone, while I was on an island for a year..

And according to results of his, he was battling in kingseat finals on a high percentage.
Looks like I taught him something now doesn't it, and he got the lessons for free, although class was in my kitchen 80% of the the training...

I guess bottom line is, could Todd have won his 3 titles without upgraded guidance in his game from the Jedi????

Like I have said, there's a little bit of the Jedi in all my students..


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BigBaller
#31 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2018 12:21:07 PM(UTC)
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Miller what the hell!

You've played for 40 fuckin years and your only an expert. Even if you went through all these ranks beginner, rookie and amateur that's like 10 years per rank to get to expert.

Oh yeah rockets don't fly out of Houston they fly out of Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

I would like to hear Todd's take on this. Because I played Todd 2 or so years and he kinda sucked. lol Now he has game and can put a beat down on ya. I don't believe he was hanging out with you from then til now? I could be wrong
AKPV22
#32 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2018 1:25:04 PM(UTC)
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I'm just bringing to light the thoughts I would have if it were my tables. It'd be like someone coming into my woodshop and building a table free of charge, which doesn't make sense from a logistical standpoint … let alone a financial one.

None of what I'm speaking of is intended to be in a negative light David. As well, just because I'm bringing to your attention the details I'm seeing means I have any conflict of interest in being an ambassador of light. Consider this a focus group. You bring an idea to the table, and see what the public's interpretation of it is. This is merely my interpretation and thoughts.

Side note … I get some emails for focus groups in Denver ranging from new construction materials/cell phone use/electronics/groceries/auto research/etc... It's easy to sign up, and some can be quite rewarding. The last one I did was for 1 hour and I got a $300 gift card. If you're interested I can share the info with ya. Same goes for the food banks/pantries I volunteer at. You're always more than welcome to join David. Or is this Spam, as so labeled by Walter?



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Old Sweater
#33 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2018 4:46:45 PM(UTC)
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AK, your trying to compare Apples and oranges

Your woodshop is not for the public entertainment department, But table soccer in a bar is public entertainment, although we pro players look at the game in a different light..

Then note to Big Balls, I was waiting for you to chime in and mention something like that..
Well no your not absolutely correct on that.
I really have only been completely competitive since around the turn of this century, now granted I've been on the table since the 70s, played a few tournaments around the country here and there and wasn't rated, but did nothing in the game at that time, but did study and drew diagrams on the table starting 1978 on a brown top Tournament Soccer table..

The first time I played on Tornado was 1980, then did the same thing on that table doing diagrams on the table field..and so started my writings of the game at that time..so for 20 years I was a hidden factor, secretly developing a game while everyone else was going on tour..then played Tom Spears tournaments in Littleton and he rated me as an expert, and because of a bad ranking system that's been broken forever, is why I've been sandbagging the expert class since I developed a Master game at the time of Americans points race in 2014, where I dominated 96% of the state, this is when my table skills became at a Master level.

It was around the turn of the Century I came out of the woodwork, and a short time later I was named Jedi in October of 2000.
And I have been reeking damage for the last 18 years since, adding yet another points race win this year for 2018, and so the damage beat keeps beating on..lol

So yeah I'm not going up in rank, I don't fucking care, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH MY WINNING CALIBER!

And so, if players want to believe that I'm only an expert, then that's their opinion, but believing that sure makes the player base somewhat weak, because once again I say this...Then an expert is whipping Colorado's ass for the last 18 years.. after all, I'm not called The Ruler of the North for nothing, or because I'm a king of an army.
I'm just doing the same thing in the Metro since 2010, that I did in the North when it was alive and on fire...


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todoubled73
#34 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2018 6:51:19 PM(UTC)
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Old Sweater
#35 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:18:09 PM(UTC)
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Potatoes and Gravy!
Potato soup.. wait a minute, sour cream and chives.. umm potato chips.
Let me see, umm. Potato cakes, umm, potato skin.

Well that's about it when its a potato on the dinner table.



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Old Sweater
#36 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:47:15 PM(UTC)
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To funny though, after Todd losing 64 games straight in a two day period against the Jedi, was the time that took his game to the next step mentally, because his game changed after that series beat down for two days.

Example of what playing against the Jedi will do to you after awhile, one kinda gets more serious in the game unlike they were before hand.


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AKPV22
#37 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2018 8:49:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Old Sweater Go to Quoted Post
AK, your trying to compare Apples and oranges

Your woodshop is not for the public entertainment department, But table soccer in a bar is public entertainment, although we pro players look at the game in a different light..

Then note to Big Balls, I was waiting for you to chime in and mention something like that..
Well no your not absolutely correct on that.
I really have only been completely competitive since around the turn of this century, now granted I've been on the table since the 70s, played a few tournaments around the country here and there and wasn't rated, but did nothing in the game at that time, but did study and drew diagrams on the table starting 1978 on a brown top Tournament Soccer table..

The first time I played on Tornado was 1980, then did the same thing on that table doing diagrams on the table field..and so started my writings of the game at that time..so for 20 years I was a hidden factor, secretly developing a game while everyone else was going on tour..then played Tom Spears tournaments in Littleton and he rated me as an expert, and because of a bad ranking system that's been broken forever, is why I've been sandbagging the expert class since I developed a Master game at the time of Americans points race in 2014, where I dominated 96% of the state, this is when my table skills became at a Master level.
Then around the turn of the Century I came out of the woodwork, and a short time later I was named Jedi.
And I have been reeking damage for the last 18 year since, adding yet another points race win this year.

So yeah I'm not going up in rank, I don't fucking care, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH MY WINNING CALIBER!

And so, if players want to believe that I'm only an expert, then that's their opinion, but believing that sure makes the player base somewhat weak, because once again I say this...Then an expert is whipping Colorado's ass for the last 18 years.. after all, I'm not called The Ruler of the North for nothing, or because I'm a king of an army.
And I'm doing the same thing in the Metro since 2010, the samething that I did in the North when it was alive and on fire...


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The comparison of wood shop to tournament tables is spot on. It's a service. And if you're not compensating for that service, it's a theft of service. Unless gifted. I'm sorry you can't see the correlation on the business side of things. Maybe I'm silly to think you could follow the thought.

You're completely nuckin futs man. "I'm a pro, fuck the system, hey kids I'll train you and get you to rise up in the system rankings." You act like you don't care about the rankings, but it's clear it's salt in your open wound. You're an expert, through and through. If you're a king of any army I feel sorry for the casualties you'll have to report for.

That's crazy that you first touched a table over 40 years ago. So like ... you're an expert. That means it took you an average of how many years to move up each rank? Like, a decade? No ... More?!?!? And you try to give Nick shit for his 9 years movement. You're a fucking dick man. Just trying to stir a fucking pot because no one in the real world actually wants to spend time with you once they see how you treat people.
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Old Sweater
#38 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2018 12:43:49 PM(UTC)
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Actually AK, I'm a Master, not a pro, but realistically pro is a shot term for professional, which means someone that competes for money, that means for anyone that places their money in for an event, so actually we are all professional players in the scheem of the game.
Just some are better at the money winnings than most.

And no, I'm not a dick, I don't call people by grade school sand box names, plus I don't put words in people's mouths either.
But I am a teacher at heart, and I do believe in ( tough love concept) hard lessons when it comes to this game..

Then second, like I said before, Now read what I'm saying, and don't add to it or rationalize.

I didn't play that much in the 80s and 90s, just went out once in the 80s one year, and played in Tom's tournaments for a season and got rated as an expert right from the start.. The 90s was less than the 80s as far as playing.. like I said before, I wrote about the game way more than playing.
But around the turn of the century, was really when I started to really compete.. so it's really been about 20 years solid in the game.. 18 for sure, but I've studied the game all my life, and that is one of the reasons why I have master skills on the table.


Continued.. need to charge the NOTE BOOK.. now notice I said note book.. so logically what does that mean??

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Old Sweater
#39 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2018 1:08:11 PM(UTC)
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It sure would have been to hilarious to see this unfold..

But let's assume I was never rated as an expert in the way past... and I showed up on the scene as jedi as a beginner or a rookie, only because I wasn't rated yet..
So here I would be a scrub winning all the singles events that I took for the last 8 years.. not to mention, what would players think about a beginner- rookie owning the Northern half of the state for years on end as a low rank..

It sure would be a different story coming out of all you, that's for sure..


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BigBaller
#40 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2018 2:19:05 PM(UTC)
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is why I've been sandbagging the expert class since I developed a Master game at the time of Americans points race in 2014,


Sand Bagging? LOL Miller stop being dumb your skill level is expert. You make yourself look like a damn fool on here. It blows me away that anybody would take you seriously. Why would anybody listen or want to be taught by you if you have never have gone all the way in a big one?

Just for shits & giggles I pulled up your last 3 years in expert singles at co state

2015 - 9th
2016 - 13th
2017 - 25th

You are must definitely not dominant in the expert field! You have one or maybe two good wins but other then that nothing really.

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