I generally don't quote anyone, but this is a small post!

Ok, so you haven't ever played a tournament? that's what I gather here. Now if that is the case you need to read and go through the game rule book. Then you get on a table with one that knows the rules that can guide you through the physical play of the rules, but reading the rules first is easier to collect it all in your head, then you manifest it in action. It doesn't take that long to get the just of the whole game, it just takes "awareness and observation in about two weeks...
And second, in this lesson for anyone. Never underestimate yourself in this game thinking you are less than what you are or could be in a short time on the table, the human mind and body can do amazing things when you put your thoughts into it..

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Master Jedi ROTN teacher

No need to talk with me about it! Ray is your go to guy for this.

BUT! I do think charging beginners & rookies a fee is flat out ridiculous. I also don't really see the benefit of it. You have one style of play which your good at. Which would not benefit any of these players really. Even if they are interested in it charging for it just dumb! Lets get more players in the game.

People can pay money for lessons ... Friday and Saturday entry fees and quarters. If you’re down to give lessons outside of those, kudos on ya. maybe invest in your own bar, own tables, and go about it that way. If you were to charge for teaching someone on tables other than your own, what happens if someone damaged a table? Would you cover the cost? Would Ray and Baller or whoever’s table your playing on have to pony up the dough? Sounds like you want to make money on someone else’s investment.

So the Dollar goes to Ray/BB then correct? I’m clearly playing devils advocate, as is always necessary when thinking about a business opportunity. What about balls? Bumpers, pins, men, beer (or soda) gets spilled on a table by your beginner Wook and warps the mdf, someone accidentally trips and goes to stabilize themselves on an led light snapping the support (rare but it’s happened before, so it will happen again, same thing with the drink holder. My point is wear and tear is a real thing that needs to be accounted for. If you’re wearing down your own material/property and decide to donate that, by all means, that’s your prerogative.

And then there's this AK, you bitch to the Jedi that I'm negative and that I'm not contributing to the players, or the game.
But yet I have a desire and the knowledge, not to mention the skill to teach and bring my positive force to the players that can use guidance, players like Shell, Jesus I feel so sorry for him, because players bitch so much about him when they lose a DYP with him, and this man is as like a loyal dog for the sport of this game, But he is stubborn on showing him anything that will do his game good, but No he won't listen, so for him, he's going to be a beginner - rookie for life..and some player like Erin Trump is going to be an amuture in his life time and hand him his ass 8 times out of 10..
Or he can humble himself, and allow me to do my magic work in teaching him a better game in the mind.. then I can get him to the plateau to smashing players like Pat U, Mike S, Dennison, or Amutures in general in about a year.
But where he is now that would definitely never happen.

Or players in that department that can't go nowhere in the game are just waisting their time in it..

That's what I the Jedi sees!



Master teacher

Miller what the hell!

You've played for 40 fuckin years and your only an expert. Even if you went through all these ranks beginner, rookie and amateur that's like 10 years per rank to get to expert.

Oh yeah rockets don't fly out of Houston they fly out of Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

I would like to hear Todd's take on this. Because I played Todd 2 or so years and he kinda sucked. lol Now he has game and can put a beat down on ya. I don't believe he was hanging out with you from then til now? I could be wrong

AK, your trying to compare Apples and oranges

Your woodshop is not for the public entertainment department, But table soccer in a bar is public entertainment, although we pro players look at the game in a different light..

Then note to Big Balls, I was waiting for you to chime in and mention something like that..
Well no your not absolutely correct on that.
I really have only been completely competitive since around the turn of this century, now granted I've been on the table since the 70s, played a few tournaments around the country here and there and wasn't rated, but did nothing in the game at that time, but did study and drew diagrams on the table starting 1978 on a brown top Tournament Soccer table..

The first time I played on Tornado was 1980, then did the same thing on that table doing diagrams on the table field..and so started my writings of the game at that time..so for 20 years I was a hidden factor, secretly developing a game while everyone else was going on tour..then played Tom Spears tournaments in Littleton and he rated me as an expert, and because of a bad ranking system that's been broken forever, is why I've been sandbagging the expert class since I developed a Master game at the time of Americans points race in 2014, where I dominated 96% of the state, this is when my table skills became at a Master level.

It was around the turn of the Century I came out of the woodwork, and a short time later I was named Jedi in October of 2000.
And I have been reeking damage for the last 18 years since, adding yet another points race win this year for 2018, and so the damage beat keeps beating on..lol

So yeah I'm not going up in rank, I don't fucking care, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH MY WINNING CALIBER!

And so, if players want to believe that I'm only an expert, then that's their opinion, but believing that sure makes the player base somewhat weak, because once again I say this...Then an expert is whipping Colorado's ass for the last 18 years.. after all, I'm not called The Ruler of the North for nothing, or because I'm a king of an army.
I'm just doing the same thing in the Metro since 2010, that I did in the North when it was alive and on fire...


Master JediR.O.T.N.teacher

Potatoes and Gravy!
Potato soup.. wait a minute, sour cream and chives.. umm potato chips.
Let me see, umm. Potato cakes, umm, potato skin.

Well that's about it when its a potato on the dinner table.



Jedi

The comparison of wood shop to tournament tables is spot on. It's a service. And if you're not compensating for that service, it's a theft of service. Unless gifted. I'm sorry you can't see the correlation on the business side of things. Maybe I'm silly to think you could follow the thought.

You're completely nuckin futs man. "I'm a pro, fuck the system, hey kids I'll train you and get you to rise up in the system rankings." You act like you don't care about the rankings, but it's clear it's salt in your open wound. You're an expert, through and through. If you're a king of any army I feel sorry for the casualties you'll have to report for.

That's crazy that you first touched a table over 40 years ago. So like ... you're an expert. That means it took you an average of how many years to move up each rank? Like, a decade? No ... More?!?!? And you try to give Nick shit for his 9 years movement. You're a fucking dick man. Just trying to stir a fucking pot because no one in the real world actually wants to spend time with you once they see how you treat people.

It sure would have been to hilarious to see this unfold..

But let's assume I was never rated as an expert in the way past... and I showed up on the scene as jedi as a beginner or a rookie, only because I wasn't rated yet..
So here I would be a scrub winning all the singles events that I took for the last 8 years.. not to mention, what would players think about a beginner- rookie owning the Northern half of the state for years on end as a low rank..

It sure would be a different story coming out of all you, that's for sure..


CO